web video this morning, you played paul ryan's comments. you know, i don't -- if president obama and his campaign team had a choice, i think they would rather joe biden not have used that phrase in relation to the last four years. that said, i think the life cycle of a gaffe now, andrea is so small it kind of rises up and becomes a huge thing for 15 minutes or one day, and then it disappears. my guess is, at 9:01 p.m. tonight when the debate starts, this will not be as big a deal and there will be new things to talk about, new issues to digest, again, not a great moment for joe biden and clearly one the white house would have rather he not have said. i just don't know that, you know, in two weeks time we're talking about it. >> all right. we'll see what -- whether there's a new gaffe or two or three to replace that one tonight. thank you very much. see you later. joining me in denver, stephanie cutter, deputy campaign manager for the president's re-election effort. where were you when you heard joe biden yesterday? >> i don't remember. beca